I'm not too picky about the name of the place -- ideally not something like DJ Ninjakitty's Pleasure Palace, which would be awkward to use when referring a friend here.
Looks:
I favor a fairly sedate look that won't get people in trouble when they post from work. I can satisfy my need for visual stimulation with threads on artists and such.
I quite like the rainbow schema. It stands out, that's what I like most, but without being obnoxious. I think a new name should be in order, and I quite like grant’s idea of Morebelith! Even if he was just being facetious…
But I think the main reason I’ve gone with these colors and the name with the addition of the beta was so that people would recognize it as a new Barbelith. Not a new board. I don’t want to make a board and have Barbelith’s members join up, I want to renovate the current Barbelith, making it fresh, clean, and snappy.
At this moment in time, I wouldn't touch a Barbelith v.2. A brand new board, yes.
My point is, it’s not going to be Barbelith v.2. and it won’t be a new board either (like I said, there are plenty of other boards where Barbelith’s members can go) It’s just going to be Barbelith with new code, and the possibility for extensions / additions / snappy fixes.
I have more to say but the bell just rang and I have to get to class. I’ll elaborate later.
I need to make it skip lines, will fix when I get home...
Hi, have already posted about this but should probably restate here.
I've been lurking on Barbelith for many years now, VERY rarely post but read it frequently and use it as a convenient means of keeping in contact with my older brothers, who are members. I always feel a bit intimidated by Barbelith as a space, the sheer weight of existing discussions, debates and relationships makes trying to engage with it as a newcomer a somewhat daunting prospect for timid things like myself. I would be very keen to contribute to a new board built on a similar ethos to Barbelith, but I think you'd selling yourself and this board short by trying to make it a continuation of the old site.
This is without even going into the problems of using a name and design that were originally developed by someone else, and the fatigue that Barbelith as a site seems to have developed in recent times.
I marvel at your pro-web skillz and think you should take fuller advantage of them. Let's have a new name, a new design, and start from scratch.
Now if only I could come up with a useful suggestion as to what either of these could be...
Also, if you keep this board the same, and the original board stays up also, then we'd end up with a parallel-universe type situation, in which people are members of both barbeliths, or only one, or even neither. That way madness lies.
In terms of colour scheme, muted shades are always best. I vote for greens please.
The edit post feature doesn't work! Have just noticed that you intend to change the name, so the parallel universe scenario I was so concerned about is unlikely to occur. Excellent. Sorry, I'm being a crap lurker.
Oh, it's fine. I'm sorting out the bugs as they come up, I've noticed a few already.
Here, let's try more slashes \ see, it's being silly.
I concur with what has already been said. Any sensible name but barbelith, please. Change up the colour scheme, please.
Sorry for contributing with so little.
Okay then, lets start suggesting names and a color schema. I see that as where we should start. But do you really want to make this a new board?
I basically agree with what's been said above - a new name and a new colour scheme would be great. I'm another long-term reader of /lurker on Barbelith, and I'm definitely excited at the thought of a fresh start. Obviously we would want to keep the things that make Barbelith good (the generally high level of debate, the wide range of topics discussed, the unwillingness to tolerate unpleasant or problematic language) , but I don't think that necessarily means having the same name or layout. What it does mean, I would suggest, is tempting as many Barbelith posters and ex-posters over here as possible; but, to judge from what's been said already both here and over there, that actually seems more likely with a bit of an overhaul. I agree with the original poster that the actual name chosen doesn't seem to be that important. I'd be fine with Morebelith, myself.
Haha, alright. Well I'm going to need some ideas from you guys. Because like I've said. I love how things look right now, but as has been said, things do need a change.
I'll have a think and see if I can come up with any helpful suggestions. I like the way the text is laid out on Barbelith, with the bars and stripes and boxes - it makes it very different to other message boards, and it would be nice if we could keep it, or something close to it, while changing the colours.
I think there's something quite exciting about having a discussion about what the board should be like, on the board, and with the actual possibility of these changes really coming into effect. It would be nice if we could do something about the slashes that appear next to apostrophes, though - they're still cropping up in preview.
Exactly, it gives me a neat feeling to think that what I was trying to fix might turn into something more.
The first idea I have is that of a site I was working on a while ago, but never finished. The posts would look something like this.
Here
Anyway, that's just a suggestion. As for a name, I don't know....
I've thought of some names now, just comment on the ones you like / dislike...
"We Use Words"
"Like Us"
"Too Many Shoes"
"Fresh Meaning"
Ah, I'm not having a very creative evening, I doubt those are any good at all. What do you think of a name that is made up of multiple words?
You're doing great Breefield.
Unfortunately, I can only come up with names that are incredibly pretentious, I'm not posting any of them here. I like 'we use words'.
The stripes are lovely, we could keep stripes but work them in different colours, rather than darker and lighter shades of the same? It'd still be pretty barbelithy, perhaps we'd want to change some other aspects of the design. I'll have a think.
You should be excited! You've done a really remarkable job here. Looking forward to getting chatting.
Of course, if we're having a new board, then we'd also need to think about the various different subfora.
I think the categories barbelith uses are pretty good, and cover most things *I'd* like to talk about, but how do they work for everyone else? I'd really like it if we could have a 'sex, bodies and relationships' subforum too.
Well, here's what I feel is happening, and I'm not too sure I like it.
I feel as thought I've gone to Barbelith, re-built their forum in hopes of fixing it for them, while adding a piece to my 'folio. Instead I've gone to Barbelith, given myself a rather large plug, and then come over here and switch things up. Making a brand new board but possibly retaining some elements of Barbelith along the way, it makes me feel cheap and skanky :p
I'm going to come up with a couple of different themes which we can discuss in here, and then I'll probably switch quite a bit of stuff as far as layout goes. I too love the horizontal bars, but they represent Barbelith, and thus they have to go.
What do you guys think of right alignment? It sounded good to me, it's fresh and thus will make us unique / trendy.
Also, I love your idea of a "Sex, Bodies and Relationships" subfora. I'd also like to see a "Digital Arts" or something of that nature, I also think we could drop Games / Gameplay. Only because there are a million other gaming boards which would be better suited for those people, and it might help drive away the people we don't want using the board.
I thought up another name last night in bed, but I feel asleep and didn't remember it until just now. What do you think of "Prussy"?
Breefield - I can see exactly where you're coming from, although I do like the bars. Right alignment might make for an interesting look, along with new colours. Perhaps just black and white and greys? The image you put up of a possible new look for the site is definitely novel, and looks like it would work nicely for casual, Late Shift-y topics - I can't see it lending itself so well to more serious discussions, though.
I agree about the subfora. Some trimming might be in order there, perhaps. I was thinking along the lines of combining the lab and switchboard (or science and politics - they'll all need new names, anyhow) into one category. Maybe one area dealing with theory, philosophy and religion, too, instead of having both a headshop and a temple? I'd suggest that, especially in the early going, it's better to have fewer, busier categories. Some of the subfora on Barbelith can seem a bit like big empty rooms at the moment, and that's probably something we should try to avoid.
Oh, and names ... I quite like 'we use words'. 'Prussy', not so much. I don't know if we should struggle too much to come up with the perfect name, though. If you look at Barbelith, the board seems to have almost come to define the word rather than than being defined by it, if you see what I mean. That being said, we probably want something shortish, and without too many pre-existing connotations.
Agree with Museum that we don't need to stress too much over the name right now. The layout/colour scheme issue needs some thought. I'd personally prefer some colour was kept in, but we can lose the stripes.
What's good about Barbelith's design is that the subfora feel like different spaces within one unified board. This is achieved very neatly, simply through colour. Obviously we want to avoid using exactly the same solution but I can't imagine we'd end up a million miles away from it.
I agree that philosophy and religion can be set up as a single subforum. We can probably lose the temple as I think Barbelith people are already working on a new magick forum. Games and gameplay could perhaps be merged with the Film & TV section? I do like to talk games, and I doubt we'd have to worry too much about the 1337 H4X0rZ for the time being.
'Sex, bodies and relationships' isn't my idea. There's been sporadic requests for such a forum on Barbelith for yonks. That said, I think it would be an excellent thing to have if we could.
Don't feel cheap Breefield. I think moving everyone over from Barbelith would just be too much of an upheaval, but you put in some really excellent work and we can build something new here, which is exciting.
Edited to add: and the 'digital arts' section is an excellent idea. I always find it odd that very few online discussion spaces have areas in which you can discuss websites. If we had a 'digital arts' section we could do it there!
Ah, I'm not sure why your posts are inserting \'s before the 's, it's not doing it for me. Plus I already fixed that bug. Did you edit your post? Maybe it happens when you edit the post.
Ohkay, well I'm inclined to come up with a plan of action now.
If everyone is an agreement that "We Use Words" is a good name I'll try and scrape up $8 and buy the domain. I'm not superbly fond of the name, I'd much prefer a one word name, simply for ease of self-referencing.
Anyhow, then I'll begin changing the board's style, which I'm not entirely sure about yet, I need to come up with a good solid design idea. I'll post some compositions here I think, so you guys can give your input.
At that point I'll begin adding some more of the features the board still needs, mainly to do with the Admin / Moderation functions, and then some other stuff we'll prolly come up with too.
I think 'we use words' would be fine, although I agree that a one-word name would be best. I'm having trouble thinking of good ideas, though - I suppose if you wanted a wordy theme, we could call ourselves Lexiphanes. He was a character in a Greek dialogue who was very keen on wordplay. At one point another character says to him “There is not a doubt I shall go raving mad under the intoxication of your exuberant verbosity”. Since then it's just come to mean anyone who uses words in a pompous, bombastic way. Exuberant verbosity sounds like a good thing for a message board, if you ask me - probably a bit pretentious as a name, though.
I've been thinking about the Games forum. I agree that it never really reached its full potential at Barbelith, and a digital arts forum might be more interesting. However, I remember a few topics on there that I found fascinating - the recent one on the relationship between games and films, and a couple of earlier ones about gender and (tabletop and play-by-mail) roleplaying games. I think it would be great if we could provide a space for discussion of that kind, because I don't think there's really anywhere else for it - and I agree with Owls that we probably don't have to worry too much about a massive influx of video gaming haxxors.
I think the slash thing is just happening when I preview my posts - so I'll stop doing that, then. Oh and thanks for all the hard work you're putting into this, Breefield.
What do you think of the name contemporaryfresh.com & or enjoythefresh.com
Right, have a couple of ideas for the name, although I think we have some good suggestions already. 'DJ Ninjakitty's pleasure palace' is starting to grow on me...
All the good words I know are anthropological. Unfortunately, 'liminal' is already taken, a shame. I always liked the word, it tastes kind of lemony.
A really nice one is 'Charivari', also referred to as 'Shivaree'. This is a practice found in various cultures (although the name refers to the custom in France, Canada or the US) of banging pots and pans, or having a good shout at moments of significant transition. In the Western tradition this typically accompanies marriages, especially ones deemed unsuitable. Many native Amazonian people have a similar practice associated with eclipses. It seems to be a way of dealing with troubling voids, by filling them up with a racket.
I also like 'Airie', which is not anthropological at all but is where eagles live and is used a lot in Tarzan.
I like Charivari, Aerie (which I cannot, apparently, spell), or Lexiphanes.
Then again, I always thought These Woods was a good name for a board, as in "Stopping By Woods on a Snowy Evening".
Oh dear, I definitely can't spell 'aerie', or even 'eyrie'. Perhaps we ought to rule that one out, too hard. Although I have just found out that it comes from the Latin for 'open space', which makes it rather more appropriate than was suggested in my original reason for forwarding it as a 'cool Tarzan word'.
I like 'these woods' VERY much, Lexiphanes is also a good one. Have started to think 'shivaree' has a nicer ring to it than 'charivari'. We're all over names!
But do you really want to make this a new board?
YES.
Please.
I like "We Use Words" -- perhaps because it reminds me of "cheating with words".